Colecția lui Iaşu

Gaby · 3 Septembrie 2016

Re: Colectia lui Iaşu

<t>Felicitări, ai o colecție foarte faină și vastă! Să o săpânești sănătos. Îmi face plăcere să-ți văd pozele!</t>

Gam3 · 12 Octombrie 2016

Re: Colectia lui Iaşu

<r>Multumesc <E>

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Noutatile AF. 
 
Set de doua vagoane AVA200 INTEREGIO, Amintiri Feroviare, scara H0. 50 53 21-87 008-9 si 50 53 21-87 009-7. 
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50 53 21-87 008-9 in gara Brasov, iulie 2010 
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Modelul 
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Vagon 50 53 21-87 009-7 in gara Brasov, iulie 2010 
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Interior 
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Vagon de calatori clasa a II-a / bar al CFR, 61 53 89-87 012-7, Amintiri Feroviare 20060, scara H0. 
 
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61 53 89-87 012-7 in IR 1668 Iasi - Bucuresti Nord. Mai 2012, Bucuresti Nord. 
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Zona BAR 
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Horia_Radulescu · 12 Octombrie 2016

Re: Colectia lui Iaşu

<t>Frumoasa prezentare, Florin. Multumesc.</t>

Gam3 · 12 Octombrie 2016

Re: Colectia lui Iaşu

<t>Aşteptăm şi o prezentare ep I din Alsacia. Ştii tu care.</t>

Horia_Radulescu · 12 Octombrie 2016

Re: Colectia lui Iaşu

<r>Va veni si ea. Cum spune neamtul, "lucrul bun are nevoie de timp" <E>

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Gam3 · 20 Noiembrie 2016

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<r>Cisterna CFR ep. 3b, numar din 7 cifre (autentic). Inscriptiile sunt tampografie. 
 
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Alaturi de cisternele pe boghiuri 
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Cisterna reala fabricata la Maschinenfabrik Augsburg-Nürnberg in 1940.: 
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Gam3 · 23 Noiembrie 2016

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<r>Nou intrat in colectie. Vagon Piko, seria Yafwc 530 070 P. Vagon de capat. 
 
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Model cu kkk 
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O sa il revopsesc si inscriptionez cu ROMANIA ITIA PRODEXPORT FRUCTEXPORT BUCURESTI. 
Pentru vagoanele frigorifice ma gandesc sa iau mai multe vagoane de la Piko si din doua sa fac unul. 
 
CFR-ul a avut cel putin 5 trenuri complete. O garnitura era compusa din 11 vagoane: 1 vagon uzina, 1 vagon de capat cu burduf la un capat si cabina de frana la cealalta extremitate si 9 vagoane frigorifice cu burdufuri la ambele capete. In functie de temperaturile exterioare, compunerea garniturii era de 10 sau 8 vagoane. 
Primele 4 garnituri aveau urmatoarea compunere: 
1: 530 050÷530 059+530 090 
2: 530 060÷530 069+530 091 
3: 530 070÷530 079+530 092 
4: 530 080÷530 089+530 093 
 
530 050 vagon de capat cu burduf, 530 051÷530 059 vagoane frigorifice, 530 090 vagon uzina. 
 
Vagoanele uzina erau Yafwu 530 090-093 iar refrigerentele 530 050, 060, 070 si 080 aveau burduf la un capat si cabina pentru franar la cealalta extremitate. Toate vagoane aveau boghiuri Gorlitz V de marfa. Din pacate, nici un astfel de vagon nu mai exista astazi. 
 
 
Vagoane frigorifice 
 
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Gam3 · 20 Decembrie 2016

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<r>A venit mosul <E>

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Vagon Fleischmann 5635 - clasa 1/2, type AB4üwe (ABC4ü-35) DB. 
 
Va fi revopsit si inscriptionat CFR. Vagon clasa 1, Aafld / BAR. 
 
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Realul in Bucuresti Basarab 
 
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Posibil clasa 1/2 ex DR la Pascani 
 
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Vagon Roco 45685. Pentru a face vagon de bagaje CFR. 
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Serie limitata de la TrainsAddicted. Vagon tip Ths42 pentru transport carne, seria Rfwc 3830120. 
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Horia_Radulescu · 20 Decembrie 2016

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<t>Vagonul Aafld/BAR este cel de care vorbea Stöckl in cartea lui din 1969, nu?</t>

Gam3 · 21 Decembrie 2016

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<t>El e. 
Parca in cartea lui Stöckl e trecut ca ABafld. Nu am cartea respectiva si nu pot verifica.</t>

Horia_Radulescu · 22 Decembrie 2016

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<r>Na, c-am ajuns si la carte. Nu sunt inca acasa insa o mai au si altii, chiar si la KA <E>

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Stöckl scrie: 
"<s></s>Nu cunosc decat un singur vagon bar, dupa numarul sau (AAFLD 94400-BAR) presupun ca este fie un exemplar unic fie un prototip pentru o serie ulterioara. Acest vagon si-a trait zilele tineretii sale ca vagon de tren rapid clasele 2 si 3 al Cailor Ferate Imperiale Germane, dupa cum arata cele trei ferestre largi si cinci inguste ale sale. Acum sunt in spatele celor trei ferestre largi tot la fel de multe compartimente de clasa I iar in spatele celor cinci inguste se gaseste un bar spatios cu posibilitatea sa stai jos in care se poate consuma si o mancare calda. La sfarsitul lui 1967 acest vagon circula pe trenul rapid de dupa-amiaza spre Galati<e></e>". 
 
Atat de la domnul doctor din Austria. Dupa cum am mai spus, credem ca e o greseala de reproducere si ca numarul a fost dintotdeauna cu 5 si nu cu 4.</r>

Gam3 · 22 Decembrie 2016

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<t>Multumim pentru text. 
Este o greseala, numarul corect al vagonului era AAFLD 95400-BAR. Placa cu numarul a rezistat in vagon pana acum cativa ani si in inventarul din anii 50-60 vagonul apare ca 95400 BAR / Aafld 95400.</t>

Horia_Radulescu · 22 Decembrie 2016

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<t>Acum, ca dispozitia compartimentelor e clara, incep intrebarile. 
 
Mancare calda > cupotor > soba > cos de fum. Unde? 
Bar > tejghea > geamuri inchise sau vopsite alb > Unde? 
Posibiltatea de a sta jos si de a consuma > scaune si mese > in ce dispozitie?</t>

catalin · 22 Decembrie 2016

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<r>Voi despre asta vorbiti ???: 
 
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aici fuse bucataria: 
 
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aici se vede open-space -ul cum am zice azi...: 
 
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si aici compartimentele: 
 
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sursa pozelor de interior, Costache Mihail, forumtrenuri.com. Fusei si eu candva in el dar nu gasesc acum pozele. Dar nu difera fata de vezi in astea....</r>

Horia_Radulescu · 22 Decembrie 2016

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<t>Da domnu', asta e obiectul discutiei. Ai fost cumva inauntru?</t>

catalin · 22 Decembrie 2016

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<t>am reeditat mesajul si cu poze din ceea ce mai era inauntru acum vreo 11 ani.</t>

Horia_Radulescu · 22 Decembrie 2016

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<r>Super, catalin. Acum stim si cum arata barul si rezerva de bauturi, precum si cum era plasata tejgheaua. 
 
Vezi, Iasiule, ca ipoteza mea de la telefon era corecta? <E>

</E></r>

Gam3 · 23 Decembrie 2016

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<r>Starea lui in 2011. 
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catalin · 23 Decembrie 2016

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<r>Dura antiteza intre bijuteriile la scara de pe pagina anterioara si cruda realitate. 
 
Dragilor, acum sa-mi explice cineva care e logica acestei combinatii compartimente/bar. De fapt m-ar interesa logica originalului ca noi am mostenit jucaria si ne-am jucat cu ea pana am facut-o magazie, cotet, sau ce e acum... 
 
Sau noi am facut transformarea, da cu zgarcenie, sa iasa un bar mai mic sa nu huzureasca tineretul revolutionar ? 
 
Ma gandesc numai la onor calator cu gastrita care prindea un bilet la unul din compartimente si care ar fi suportat mirosuri imbietoare vreo 5 ceasuri pana la Galati. Sau in compartimente primeau bilet gurmanzii si clientii obisnuiti ai birturilor, sa fie mai aproape de sursa delectarii si a vitiului.... <E>

</E> Evident, vorbim in spirit de gluma dar explicatia reala chiar vreau sa o aud din tastele voastre. 
 
PS: pe vremea cand umblam eu prin epavele astea, vagonul asta avea atarnat un G10 foarte vechi. Sau parca erau 2 prin zona, deja le incurc....</r>

Horia_Radulescu · 23 Decembrie 2016

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<r><QUOTE><s>

</s>Sau noi am facut transformarea, da cu zgarcenie, sa iasa un bar mai mic sa nu huzureasca tineretul revolutionar ?<e>

</e></QUOTE>

Intotdeauna pesimist. 
 
Vagoane combinate au existat intotdeauna si la mai toate caile ferate. Combinate salon/bagaje, compartimente/bagaje, salon/restaurant, compartimente/restaurant, salon/bar, compartimente/bar etc. etc etc. Din Statele Unite ale Americii si pana in Republica Populara Chineza, trecand prin toata Europa. 

<QUOTE><s>

</s>Dragilor, acum sa-mi explice cineva care e logica acestei combinatii compartimente/bar. De fapt m-ar interesa logica originalului ca noi am mostenit jucaria si ne-am jucat cu ea pana am facut-o magazie, cotet, sau ce e acum...<e>

</e></QUOTE>

Logica este ca in multe trenuri de rang mediu sau inalt nu se foloseste un vagon restaurant "intreg" ci doar "jumatate". Unele tari chiar asa si le numesc, "Halbspeisewagen", adica jumatate de vagon restaurant. Asemenea vagoane au circulat din cele mai vechi timpuri (si nu ma refer la "couplages" WP+WPC sau "triplages" WP+WPC+WP ale CIWL) si unele s-au construit chiar de noi asa. Exemplu in Germania Federala tipul ARmh 216 (din anii 1950, trei compartimente clasa I si bistro cu sala de mese si mica bucatarie si rezerva) sau urmasele lor de 27500mm lungime ARmh 217, ARmz 218 si ARmz 211 din anii 1960-70 (trei compartimente virtuale clasa I intr-un salon climatizat si bistro cu sala de mese si mica bucatarie si rezerva). 
 
In Germania exista si acum, asa sunt toate vagoanele BordBistro ale DB de pe trenurile IC si EC: seriile ARkimbz 262/266, tot trei semi-compartimente clasa I si sala de mese, mica bucatarie si rezerva. Este un vagon similar conceptual cu ce avem aici la CFR. Poate Florin sa puna o poza, a circulat cu asa ceva acum doar cateva luni. 
 
Alte tari precum Austria sau Belgia au facut in anii 1950-60 exact precum CFR: au modificat vagoane de constructie veche, pastrand unele compartimente. Planurile lor de amenajare sunt extrem de asemanatoare intre CFR, ÖBB si SNCB, daca nu chiar identice. Deci nu a fost o ideie hai-rupista autohtona ci un trend european la nivel de UIC. 
 
Similar este si conceptul din Franta cu Bar Corail, jumatate salon si jumatate Bar-Bistro. Extrem de asemanator si vagonul Bar AVA200 al CFR pe care l-a postat chiar Florin aici la colectia sa. 

<QUOTE><s>

</s>Ma gandesc numai la onor calator cu gastrita care prindea un bilet la unul din compartimente si care ar fi suportat mirosuri imbietoare vreo 5 ceasuri pana la Galati. Sau in compartimente primeau bilet gurmanzii si clientii obisnuiti ai birturilor, sa fie mai aproape de sursa delectarii si a vitiului.... <E></E> Evident, vorbim in spirit de gluma dar explicatia reala chiar vreau sa o aud din tastele voastre.<e>

</e></QUOTE>

De aceea la toate aceste vagoane s-au prevazut fie usi la compartimente, fie usi frontale la saloane, fie la hol fie la amandoua iar la bucatarie s-a prevazut o hota actionata electric pentru eliminarea mirosurilor, la fel de bine in Germania ca in Romania. In ceea-ce priveste comfortul, vagonul depasea probabil multe altele de clasa I ale CFR din epoca prin lungimea compartimentelor sale.</r>

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