Muzeul Locomotivelor cu Abur din Sibiu

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Gam3 a spus:
Din pacate nu stiu ce 230.000 este locomotiva de mai jos, nu are placile pe marchiza asa ca nu stiu ce numar este.

La Sibiu apar 3 locomotive seria 230.000

Prin eliminare e una din acestea:

230.060 Schwartzkopff, Berlin 1921
230.321 Resita 1938

Daca am gresit va rog sa ma corectati.

Adevarat!
Cea din prima poza este 230.060 si cea din a doua este 230.321
 
Horia_Radulescu a spus:
buna,

intrebare de 1000 de puncte: cine are poze cu o P8 CFR (nu Nachbau Resita, ci originala) cu aranjament clasic pe cazan (cos-dom de abur-cutie de nisip-dom de aburi) cu cabina cu luminator? am de gand sa fac una pe N in aceasta formula (ca model CFR)!

singura pe care am gasit-o pana acum asa este 230.229 (pozata de Detlef Schikorr la Grivita in 1969 pe turnanta); din pacate nu se vede tenderul si nici partea mecanicului!

"surorile" ei 230.22x (am vazut in poze 224, 225) au formula clasica CFR cu purificatorul de apa sistem MAV dupa cos si domul de abur inaintea cutiei de nisip...

cine poate ajuta? :D

Horia,

Am luat volumul II al "Istoriei tractiunii feroviare" si am cautat locomotiva cu numarul precizat de tine. Sa stii ca in mod aparent bizar, 230.229 face parte din seria a V-a de locomotive CFR seria 230 facute la Resita in 1933. Deci nici vorba sa fi facut parte din seria originala de locomotive germane!

De fapt, ca sa precizam si asta aici pentru cine este interesat, la CFR au fost 364 de locomotive din seria 230.000, dupa cum urmeaza:

Primele locomotive P8 au sosit in Romania dupa 1919 ca despagubire de razboi. Astfel, un lot de 18 locomotive au fost incadrate ca numerele CFR 230.036-230.053. Ele au sosit cu inmatricularea tipic prusaca inclusiv vulturul inaripat KPEV si au circulat asa pana in anul 1923!

(Una dintre locomotivele din acest prim set "original" este cea de la Sinaia; aceea este chiar una dintre primele prototopuri din seria originala P8, insa fiindca are o distributie a-tipica ar fi greu de modelat dintr-un Fleischmann cu distributie Heusinger "clasica")

In anul 1920 a fost transmisa fabricilor germane o noua comanda de locomotive P8, iar in 1921 a fost livrat acest nou lot de 75 de locomotive, ce au fost incadrate ca:
numerele CFR 230.001-230.035 (Facute de Henschel & Sohn, Kassel)
numerele CFR 230.054-230.078 (Schwartzkopff Berlin)
numerele CFR 230.079-230.083 (Hannover Linden)
numerele CFR 230.084-230.093 (Henschel & Sohn)

Mai departe, in anul 1926 CFR a cumparat de la DRG inca 18 locomotive din seria BR 38.10-40. Aceste locomotive au avut initial la DRG numere cuprinse intre BR 38.2460 si BR 38.3176 si erau facute de mai multe firme, printre care Linke-Hoffman, Schwartzkopff, Schichau/Elbing, Vulcan/Stettin. Au fost incadrate in continuare cu
numerele CFR 230.094-230.111.

In anul 1929 CFR a mai comandat un lot ce cuprindea 20 de locomotive P8, respectiv
numerele CFR 230.112-230.118 (Henschel & Sohn)
numerele CFR 230.119-230.131 (Schwartzkopff)

Incepand din anul 1932 locomotiva P8 a fost livrata pentru CFR doar de uzine romanesti, Resita si Malaxa. Acestea, in numar de 230 de exemplare, au fost livrate in loturi succesive pana in anul 1939.

numerele 230.132-230.530 (139 locomotive facute la Resita, 91 locomotive la Malaxa)


Cred ca povestea cu ordinea domurilor trebuie privita cu prudenta, e posibil ca indiferent de originea ei, la reparatiile generale interioare sa se fi realizat modificari insemnate, respectiv mutarea pozitiilor domurilor. Cel mai corect ar fi sa cautam o poza care sa arate o locomotiva cu domurile exact in ordinea modelului Fleischmann si sa o modelam pe aia!

Intrucat si eu am o P8 Fleischmann proaspat venita din Kent anul trecut inainte de Craciun si am de gand sa fac aceeasi chestie, adica s-o "ceferizez", daca imi dai un pic de timp am sa fac o "potera" prin cartea lui Serban sa identific o locomotiva care s-ar preta la asemenea chestie si pentru tine.

Chiar gasisem de fapt o locomotiva care avea exact ordinea domurilor potrivita, insa ma incurca faptul ca a mea are deflectoare Wagner, iar putinele romanesti cu deflectoare Wagner sunt poze din timpul razboiului la care locomotivele respective NU au dispozitia domurilor ca la Fleischmann!

Ar fi interesant de vazut daca se pot da jos deflectoarele la modelul Fleischmann fara sa ramana o gaura urata acolo. Din cate am observat la toate locomotivele romanesti deflectoarele au fost date jos dupa 1945.

In principiu ce epoca vrei sa faci din a ta?


Salutari din Constanta,
Dorin
 
In muzeul sibian este o aparitie stinghera si fara nici un element de identificare:


stie cineva ceva mai mult despre aceasta locomotiva ?

Fotografia a fost facuta in vara lui 2006 de subsemnatul. Cei care ati vizitat acest muzeu, puteti sa adaugati ceva imagini in plus ?
 
Catalin,

Nu este acelasi tip cu acea locomotiva fotografiata in Covasna?

Cel putin par asemanatoare: marchiza si boilerul, dupa mine, sunt identice, cu mici modificari la geamuri in spate.
 
Nu are nici o legatura una cu alta decat ca ambele sunt locomotive tender.
Dupa desen, cea de la Sibiu este de provenienta germana si poarta cateva detalii are scolii germane din perioada primelor 2 decenii din sec. XX.
Vreau sa stiu daca are cineva informatii concrete asupra numarului de circulatie sau de fabricatie/producator sau ceva depre soarta ei.

Urmele lasate de placi indica faptul ca probabil provine de la o exploatare industriala, nu din parcul CFR.
 
Buna Catalin,

Nici eu si nici Bogdan nu am pozat respectiva locomotiva.
Doar Florin are o singura poza cu ea.
 
catalin a spus:
In muzeul sibian este o aparitie stinghera si fara nici un element de identificare.

Ceea ce stiu despre ea e ca s-ar numi N2-302 (cel putin asa apare in parcul Muzeului Sibiu) si ar fi o sora mai mica a locomotivei N3-404 de la Covasna (de unde a fost adusa la Sibiu).
Despre N2-302 se stie ca a fost fabricata de uzinele Borsig - Berlin (nr. 8102/1906) si este clasata in patrimoniul tehnic national. Speram ca in curand, impreuna cu toate locomotivele de la Sibiu, N2-302 sa intre intr-un amplu program de restaurare si sa fie transformata intr-o veritabila piesa de muzeu.
 
victorian a spus:
Horia_Radulescu a spus:
Cred ca povestea cu ordinea domurilor trebuie privita cu prudenta, e posibil ca indiferent de originea ei, la reparatiile generale interioare sa se fi realizat modificari insemnate, respectiv mutarea pozitiilor domurilor. /quote]

Pozitia domului de abur, epuratorului si nisiparului nu a fost modificata, in schimb cu ocazia reparatiilor generale interioare (RGI) se inlocuiau destul de frecvent cazanele.
 
catalin a spus:
Cei care ati vizitat acest muzeu, puteti sa adaugati ceva imagini in plus ?

"Rascolind" prin hard disk-ul computerului, am gasit o poza facuta iarna trecuta, in "expeditia" de la Sibiu:

 
Scuze de off topic, dar cand vad cum arata aceste locomotive in asa zisul "Muzeu" de la Sibiu, jumatate din mine plange, iar cealalta jumatate urla. Cand ma gandesc ca si bunicuta de la SF. Gheorghe nu era departe de a ajunge asa, dar, acum rade sub prima zapada care s-a asternut si peste luciul negru protector........, offff!
 




As dori sa aflu mai multe informatii despre aceasta locomotiva,fabricantul,unde si cit a circulat.
Fotografiie sint de luna trecuta,la ''muzeul'' din Sibiu.
Multumiri anticipate! :D
 
http://www.infofer.ro/zoom11.htm

40.068 TIP D-h2 OK 9612/21

Locomotiva 40.068 face parte dintr-o serie de 112 locomotive construite pentru C.F.R. de diverse firme germane, dupa tipul prusac G 81. Destinate in special serviciului de manevra grea, locomotivele 40.000 au fost utilizate si la tractiunea trenurilor de calatori si marfa pe linii secundare. Ultima locomotiva de acest tip, 40.098 a fost retrasa din serviciu in anul 1982.
40.068 a facut parte din parcul depoului Bucuresti Triaj. In anul 1983 este transferata Ministerului Industriei Lemnului si Materialelor de Constructii si utilizata apoi pentru constructia canalului Dunare-Marea Neagra. Dupa anul 1985 este abandonata in statia C.F.R. Saligny, de unde este recuperata si transportata la depoul Sibiu in anul 1995.
 
Depoul de locomotive Sibiu - 12 iunie 2011

<r>Dragi pasionati si nu numai, in data de 12 iunie am vizitat Depoul de locomotive Sibiu, ce am vazut acolo urmeaza sa va prezint in poze. <br/>
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Enjoy <E>:)</E><br/>
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E bine ca cineva se mai ingrijeste de ele (in rromania asta ingrijit inseamna inclusiv ca nu le trimite la fier vechi).
Unde anume este muzeul/depoul asta in Sibiu ? Intrarea e libera sau trebuie sa ai pile ca sa le poti vedea (si eventual fotografia) ?